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TOPIC: Is Physics = 4D Space~Time Geometry + Mathematics? by John Philip Wsol [refresh]

Cosmos means order. The universe is humming cosmic harmonies. Pioneers of this scientific frontier progressively fine-tune their observational acuity, experimental skillfulness and mathematical expressiveness to see, measure and describe their perceptions. Theoreticians ponder all this data hoping to reveal the hidden mathematical beauty of this cosmic composition. The Quest: 1. to share distinct perspectives gained from Cognitive Science studies; 2. a systematic approach to discovering a deeper understanding of physics equations; 3. to identify a geometric paradigm that can explain many outstanding cosmological questions. Borrowing 8 excellent FQxI questions it will be shown that Mathematics + Combinatorial Quantum-wave Mechanics (CQM) describes the structure of 4D Space~Time and, herein, reveal The Grand Design. 1. Are we missing interesting physical theories because our commitment to a particular mathematical framework? Students, innocently, inherit the previous generation’s mathematical toolboxes that unwittingly limit their thinking to explicit geometric assumptions and hidden presuppositions. 2. What fundamental assumptions did science get wrong? What is the right framework?

John, 6th grade Science Project was a cardboard box planetarium + 36 half-page typed Astronomy booklet. 7th grade build a Binary Digital Computer out of pinball machine parts, won 1st in California State Science Fair, 11th grade won Chemistry Student of the Year, by 12th grade he worked for Physics Computer Development Project, UCI CAI programs: rewrote Complex and helped add memory feature to Quantum, became database system expert, self-studied Hebrew, Cognitive Science, math, physics & cosmology. Independently developing 4D Holographic Space~Time quantum-structured elastic-fluidic model. Founded Combinatorial Quantum-wave Mechanics (CQM) explaining Dark Matter, Dark Energy and Quantum Gravity.

Hi John,

Your essay is very interesting and enjoyable to read. Our concepts have really a lot in common (this invites to read) however in details there are important differences (that may be inspiring).

We agree that an elastic medium for wave transfer like aether is necessary and that “particles” are simply waves. I have coined Geometrical Universe Hypothesis that can be broken down into:

- the correspondence rule that all interactions and matter are manifestations of spacetime geometry

- the empirical domain - gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear and weak nuclear measurements and cosmological observations

- the geometric structure being a set of Thurston geometries with metrics and the wave transfer

If you are interested you can find details in my essay

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2452.

I would appreciate your comments.

Thank you and good luck in the contest.

Jacek

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Your essay is very interesting and enjoyable to read. Our concepts have really a lot in common (this invites to read) however in details there are important differences (that may be inspiring).

We agree that an elastic medium for wave transfer like aether is necessary and that “particles” are simply waves. I have coined Geometrical Universe Hypothesis that can be broken down into:

- the correspondence rule that all interactions and matter are manifestations of spacetime geometry

- the empirical domain - gravitational, electromagnetic, strong nuclear and weak nuclear measurements and cosmological observations

- the geometric structure being a set of Thurston geometries with metrics and the wave transfer

If you are interested you can find details in my essay

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2452.

I would appreciate your comments.

Thank you and good luck in the contest.

Jacek

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Dear Jacek,

Thanks for taking the time to briefly skim my essay. I do see several areas where our thinking parallels each other. We both agree that Relativity is “aether neutral” and for the need of a medium for waves and for the existence of matter being fundamentally “wave-icle”. (I prefer to use my definition of a 4D Space~Time Medium, rather than aether). However, I don’t...

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Thanks for taking the time to briefly skim my essay. I do see several areas where our thinking parallels each other. We both agree that Relativity is “aether neutral” and for the need of a medium for waves and for the existence of matter being fundamentally “wave-icle”. (I prefer to use my definition of a 4D Space~Time Medium, rather than aether). However, I don’t...

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Hi John,

You say: “I was surprised and hurt by your low scoring of 3 for my paper.” I have not scored your paper yet. I intend to vote after reading more essays to have a reference points. Couple of days ago my essay was scored 1! but how can I know who is responsible? And I think your low rating is really unfair.

You claim: “your paper is completely void of ANY measurable...

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You say: “I was surprised and hurt by your low scoring of 3 for my paper.” I have not scored your paper yet. I intend to vote after reading more essays to have a reference points. Couple of days ago my essay was scored 1! but how can I know who is responsible? And I think your low rating is really unfair.

You claim: “your paper is completely void of ANY measurable...

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As you like strict answers, I have forgotten to give you the link to Perelman proof: Grisha Perelman, Ricci flow with surgery on three-manifolds

http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0303109

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http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0303109

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John,

Thanks for the excellent read. This is a very interesting essay with many novel insights. The many illustrations add a lot of flavor also. Physics could really use an artist right now. There was enough material here for half a dozen more detailed essays. I can almost imagine what Paul Dirac would be like on a sugar rush.

You should read the essay by Colin Walker. He discusses tired light.

Near the end, you present light paths that are curved. This ties in nicely with the cross product term presented in my work.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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Thanks for the excellent read. This is a very interesting essay with many novel insights. The many illustrations add a lot of flavor also. Physics could really use an artist right now. There was enough material here for half a dozen more detailed essays. I can almost imagine what Paul Dirac would be like on a sugar rush.

You should read the essay by Colin Walker. He discusses tired light.

Near the end, you present light paths that are curved. This ties in nicely with the cross product term presented in my work.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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Gary D. Simpson! Thanks so much for your astute reading of my essay and your kind, insightful & encouraging comments.

**“This is a very interesting essay with many novel insights.”**

For years now I have quietly pondered cosmological ideas. I’m thankful to FQxI for sponsoring this essay contest; it has helped me focus on getting ideas out of my head onto paper. ...

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For years now I have quietly pondered cosmological ideas. I’m thankful to FQxI for sponsoring this essay contest; it has helped me focus on getting ideas out of my head onto paper. ...

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John,

You are most welcome. Your effort shows. Don't get discouraged about the voting and scores and such. Anything that deviates from what the mainstream believes gets voted down. Early in the voting, I got hit with three 1's and a 2. The key is to interact with other authors and get enough positive votes to over come the haters. For whatever it's worth to you, you were at the top of the rankings for about 30 minutes until someone voted you down ... Sorry, I only get one vote.

If you are having a hard time conceptualizing complex time, take a look at my essay. Near the end, I present a variation of the Lorentz Transform that defines complex time. I have almost worked the math to a point where I can use Geometric Algebra and motion to explain gravity.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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You are most welcome. Your effort shows. Don't get discouraged about the voting and scores and such. Anything that deviates from what the mainstream believes gets voted down. Early in the voting, I got hit with three 1's and a 2. The key is to interact with other authors and get enough positive votes to over come the haters. For whatever it's worth to you, you were at the top of the rankings for about 30 minutes until someone voted you down ... Sorry, I only get one vote.

If you are having a hard time conceptualizing complex time, take a look at my essay. Near the end, I present a variation of the Lorentz Transform that defines complex time. I have almost worked the math to a point where I can use Geometric Algebra and motion to explain gravity.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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John,

If you have not already done so, please take a look at my essay. There is still a week or so left to vote if you so desire.

Thanks,

Gary Simpson

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If you have not already done so, please take a look at my essay. There is still a week or so left to vote if you so desire.

Thanks,

Gary Simpson

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Dear Dr. Wsol,

You wrote: “Are we missing interesting physical theories because our commitment to a particular mathematical framework?”

Yes you are. This is the best one by far: “This is my single unified theorem of how the real Universe is occurring: Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive...

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You wrote: “Are we missing interesting physical theories because our commitment to a particular mathematical framework?”

Yes you are. This is the best one by far: “This is my single unified theorem of how the real Universe is occurring: Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive...

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Dear John,

I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

Joe Fisher

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I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

Joe Fisher

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Dear John,

I read your comment at Studencki and decided to carefully read your essay. For the most part I agree with your attitudes. The overall impression (text, images, formulas, attitudes, explanations ...) that you deserve much better score than it is currently. Best regards,

Branko

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I read your comment at Studencki and decided to carefully read your essay. For the most part I agree with your attitudes. The overall impression (text, images, formulas, attitudes, explanations ...) that you deserve much better score than it is currently. Best regards,

Branko

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Dr. Wsol,

This paper is impressive both in breadth and how many BIG questions you address. I’m surprised how so much of your math spans quantum amounts and links them to both the physics of Newton and Einstein relativity – AND you suggest even a 3rd relativity theory!

The perspective of the Cosmic Onion is really eye-opening. It makes more sense now how the entire universe expands within this “holographic” spherical area where all the universes before are contained within the one we are now existing in. All space-time relationships are caused by the direct connection of time and space expansion.

Furthermore, I think I get your Dark Energy explanation: it’s NOT that the universe is speeding up; but it is because (as the universe gets bigger) we ourselves expand and move relatively slowly compared to how fast the past is moving. That makes more sense - that action at extreme distances is pushing the galaxies apart. If this bears further scrutiny, your theory will be one to go down in history as revolutionary. Your view of time (correcting your proposed flaw in the Freidman equation) supercedes Stephen Hawking’s “Brief History of Time” and requests a re-assessment of many decades of accepted cosmological theories.

As for quantum gravity (math isn't my great strength,) but as you describe the “probabilistic nature” of the Planck constant increments happening at regular intervals – quantum-like - now that makes sense – making a depression in time which then effectively creates gravity.

I look forward to seeing more of your work!

--Tim

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This paper is impressive both in breadth and how many BIG questions you address. I’m surprised how so much of your math spans quantum amounts and links them to both the physics of Newton and Einstein relativity – AND you suggest even a 3rd relativity theory!

The perspective of the Cosmic Onion is really eye-opening. It makes more sense now how the entire universe expands within this “holographic” spherical area where all the universes before are contained within the one we are now existing in. All space-time relationships are caused by the direct connection of time and space expansion.

Furthermore, I think I get your Dark Energy explanation: it’s NOT that the universe is speeding up; but it is because (as the universe gets bigger) we ourselves expand and move relatively slowly compared to how fast the past is moving. That makes more sense - that action at extreme distances is pushing the galaxies apart. If this bears further scrutiny, your theory will be one to go down in history as revolutionary. Your view of time (correcting your proposed flaw in the Freidman equation) supercedes Stephen Hawking’s “Brief History of Time” and requests a re-assessment of many decades of accepted cosmological theories.

As for quantum gravity (math isn't my great strength,) but as you describe the “probabilistic nature” of the Planck constant increments happening at regular intervals – quantum-like - now that makes sense – making a depression in time which then effectively creates gravity.

I look forward to seeing more of your work!

--Tim

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Dear John Wsol,

Since I am a visual thinker, the Cosmic Onion model of space-time expansion really speaks to me. It creates a map to help me wrap my mind around how this all works together.

I love the third theory of relativity where time is a function of space expansion and is ever expanding along with it.

You mention that one implication of this model is “look back curves”. I find this especially intriguing.

I am well pleased to see how many blanks you successfully bridge in what has been other “understandings” of the cosmos up to this point. Further, I find it refreshing that you communicate it all in terms that someone like me can get without being a career mathematician. If anyone manages to shoot down the mathematical agreement you have presented here I would be rather stunned.

Thank you,

-Randall

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Since I am a visual thinker, the Cosmic Onion model of space-time expansion really speaks to me. It creates a map to help me wrap my mind around how this all works together.

I love the third theory of relativity where time is a function of space expansion and is ever expanding along with it.

You mention that one implication of this model is “look back curves”. I find this especially intriguing.

I am well pleased to see how many blanks you successfully bridge in what has been other “understandings” of the cosmos up to this point. Further, I find it refreshing that you communicate it all in terms that someone like me can get without being a career mathematician. If anyone manages to shoot down the mathematical agreement you have presented here I would be rather stunned.

Thank you,

-Randall

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Dear John,

Sorry for the delay in replying but I have been very busy lately.

Thank you for your message on my thread.

I had a look at your essay and a bit at your website.

I am very pleased to see that you also think that everything is expanding (time included). As you say, our models have some good similarities. The big difference is that yours is 4D and mine essentially 2D/3D. Also, in my model, past/present/future co-exist, you don't seem to include that in your model. Do you have any views on that topic ?

I see that you worked with computers and databases, what do you think of my purely "information based" approach ?

I am 100% convinced that we are correct about time expanding with space, I wish that the mainstream will take a serious look at our models one day but I don't have much hope, it is too unconventional.

All the best,

Patrick Tonin

PS: the formula you put in my thread did not come out properly, can you send it to me separately ?

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Sorry for the delay in replying but I have been very busy lately.

Thank you for your message on my thread.

I had a look at your essay and a bit at your website.

I am very pleased to see that you also think that everything is expanding (time included). As you say, our models have some good similarities. The big difference is that yours is 4D and mine essentially 2D/3D. Also, in my model, past/present/future co-exist, you don't seem to include that in your model. Do you have any views on that topic ?

I see that you worked with computers and databases, what do you think of my purely "information based" approach ?

I am 100% convinced that we are correct about time expanding with space, I wish that the mainstream will take a serious look at our models one day but I don't have much hope, it is too unconventional.

All the best,

Patrick Tonin

PS: the formula you put in my thread did not come out properly, can you send it to me separately ?

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Yes, Patrick, Although I introduce the idea of the Now-Manifold as expanding within the Cosmic Onion, its existence is spread across time. (Thus, Einstein's often misunderstood statement that "The distinction between the past, present, & future is a stubbornly persistent illusion." From an eternal perspective the whole span of time exists simultaneously.

However, physically, we seem to all be caught up in the flow-of-Now -- the local rate that time proceeds forward. This tells me that time MUST be treated differently from spatial dimensions. Thus I believe it is not proper think of time as being "shared" with one of the spatial dimensions. Physically, we exist in 3-space PLUS one-time. (Above, and beyond that I consider higher dimensions as having and interface with physical reality: dimensions of mind, soul and spirit.

As for pattern searching here is one I found back on 28-Jan-2013:

Compare this to the 2007 & 2010 CODATA values of 22.99859141 and 22.99859213 (This has an uncertainty of less than 4.6x10^{-8})

*-- Cosmologically yours,*

-- John Wsol

However, physically, we seem to all be caught up in the flow-of-Now -- the local rate that time proceeds forward. This tells me that time MUST be treated differently from spatial dimensions. Thus I believe it is not proper think of time as being "shared" with one of the spatial dimensions. Physically, we exist in 3-space PLUS one-time. (Above, and beyond that I consider higher dimensions as having and interface with physical reality: dimensions of mind, soul and spirit.

As for pattern searching here is one I found back on 28-Jan-2013:

Compare this to the 2007 & 2010 CODATA values of 22.99859141 and 22.99859213 (This has an uncertainty of less than 4.6x10

-- John Wsol

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